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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 20:54:53 GMT
It's 91F outside, and hotter upstairs. It's going to be this way all week. I came inside to sit in the air conditioning and ponder.
The best times to work outside all this week will be from 10pm till 8am, when it's below 80F. For the last few days, i cannot keep the sweat off my glasses, my gloves, or the steel i am working over. A drop of sweat now turns into a one inch dot of rust in two days. I have steel that's covered in these dots.
But cannot make noise from 10pm till 8am in a residential area. Keeping the neighbors awake is a Bad Thing.
If far enough offshore that the worklights are below the horizon, and cannot be seen from shore, then shore cannot hear the noise (my neighbors complained about a 20" box fan from 200ft away). Or the accompanying music. Or the bbq smoke. And with a 30mph boat, it's a 20 minute ride to get there.
With an incubator that is strictly the land interface: some storage and parking, long-range wifi internet, usps/ups recv/send, a suitable bunkhouse for temporary sleep-overs, a couple of docks to carry a bridge crane, a ramp between the docks, a refueling spot, an informational spot in the bunkhouse to show what it's about,... everything else could and should be done out on the water.
I don't think a lot of money should be put into a land site, under the fickle rules and laws of the very people we'd be gulf/seasteading to get away from. The bare necessities should be enough. In the spirit of being on the water, what could be better than building the boats, platforms, barges, towers, and etc, out on the water? What would be better neighbors than to not be doing boat building in a residential area? And by not having boats under construction, or being repaired, or a crowd living there and commuting to the water, less real estate is required and less ruckus goes on.
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Post by thebastidge on Sept 23, 2016 20:31:42 GMT
Most marinas have limited facilities for working on boats yourself. Some have lifts, some have mechanic's shops nearby, but for the most part, anything that might result in oil, fuel, or other undesirable detritus in the water is a no-no. There's usually a bit of coordinating required to use a lift, and the fees for such things can quickly add up, especially if you're taking up a work rack for multiple days.
On the other hand, as long as you don't spill, nobody seems to bitch and bother when you have your engine compartment open, using power tools and cursing the small space, at least during the day. It's mighty inconvenient to do some types of work within a slip, especially a double slip where you only have dock to port or starboard but not both. Hauling tools and materials down a finger of dock to slip number one million and fifty seven, up and down a steep ramp gets pretty exhausting too. Public docks around here usually have 220v 30 or 50 amp connections slipside. I suppose you could weld with a 50 amp connection, which is usually only available in the large yacht slips.
Ideally, a flat piece of land adjacent to water with a steep drop-off would be good, with a dock/pier to one side, a clear, gently sloping approach to the water where you could put rollers under a vessel or platform, and a large shop structure with good electrical service and a fenced in front and parking lot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 3:01:05 GMT
I was thinking of a floating drydock, for the most part. I have a generator i can run the arc welder with, done it.
But the main point was about spending a $million on a commercial waterfront site, what was it about that sorta of site that seasteaders absolutely need at that site? What can be set up offshore, on a floating site? Sure some services are needed, and may need to be recieved on land (such as an internet relay point), and a place to have UPS/USPS pickup/delivery, and even a warm bed for overnighting for guests. But do those items (or any i didn't list) take a commercial waterfront site to provide? And in what order should needs be provided for, if they cannot be done all at once?
I agree with the pollution regs, and not bothering the neighbors. But a clean deck, 10 miles offshore, seems to me would be in compliance. Even figured, if the drydock is in three pieces of the right shape and size, any two pieces of it can drydock the third piece for pressure washing the critters off it's bottom.
I don't mean to be sitting in a marina any longer than it takes to make a supply run on land. Ideally. That's the wishful and working-towards plan, anyhow.
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Post by jeff on Oct 1, 2016 2:51:58 GMT
Which is also why my idea for an incubator site isn't necessarily oceanfront property, but, water-access to the GoMex.
A) I need a place to build and launch from B) I need a base of operations, for resupply point. C) Once I have that and an established offshore site, as well, I have other projects to continue with. D) Once I have reached a certain stage, big projects will no longer be my goals, so the construction space becomes available for others to potentially utilize, and I'll have a base of operations, so expanding the supply to cover subsequent builds is a matter of logistics.
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Post by thebastidge on Oct 2, 2016 16:44:08 GMT
I can find wAterfront property here for les than millions. I haven't checked the gulf coast for that. But I imagine regular, non commercial plots exist for reasonable money somewhere along there or on a decent sized river. But if all you want is an initial platform, why not buy an existing barge? www.maritimesales.com/FUL10.htm
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Post by thebastidge on Oct 2, 2016 17:02:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 4:47:53 GMT
I built my place, i could never afford to buy it. The chief thing i have learned in being here, is it's a bad idea to do anything beyond breathing if there are humans around. I never want to be in a position where i cannot just up and leave when a jerk moves in next door. I may visit and partake of services at a marina catering to seasteading, but i don't wish to be bound to it.
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Post by jeff on Oct 3, 2016 19:14:03 GMT
A barge isn't going to have the stability at mooring, when subjected to higher sea-states that I need, in the open waters of the GoMex.
A properly designed hull will also be able to weathervane with changing conditions, in better response to them, while moored.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 21:15:04 GMT
Also, the Detroit 92 series is a 2-cycle. Years ago i read of the USCG mandating all boats in the usa stop operating 2-cycles, because of pollution restrictions. They cannot be used in heavy trucks either. In Fla, iirc, those engines had to be removed before the boats could be sold. While i agree that a self sufficient seastead will need a drydock to perform the same duties to the stead's runabout as a garage does for a car, a floating drydock like www.maritimesales.com/TSL11.htm won't survive in open unprotected waters. The stresses of broadside waves, plus generally constant tilting back and forth, will eventually result in the side walls being broken off at deck level. And it would be a real bummer if you had some bottom cut out of a boat for repairs, and a 6ft wave boarded an open end, carried the boat out the other end, where it promptly sank. However, there's large areas in the MissRiver bayou which are deep enough to park and submerge such a drydock, if a group of watersteaders were to be living there and offering services. That's a great example of a business not needing a large land presence to work on or build boats of decent sizes and shapes, plus they'd be away from humans complaining about them DOING anything. A pricetag of $500k is beyond even my dreams.
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Post by thebastidge on Oct 5, 2016 17:37:44 GMT
A barge isn't going to have the stability at mooring, when subjected to higher sea-states that I need, in the open waters of the GoMex. A properly designed hull will also be able to weathervane with changing conditions, in better response to them, while moored. "Initial"... If you're looking or a platform to build from, you get the advantage of an already-amortized investment by purchasing a nice, broad, flat, floating platform to work from. There are always limits to every design, ad I thought one of your big reasons for GoM is the relative shelter and passivity of the waters. A barge can do the same weathervaning while moored. Put a sea anchor on it. Or put an anchor at each end and skip the spin.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 19:44:42 GMT
A barge can do the same weathervaning while moored. Put a sea anchor on it. Or put an anchor at each end and skip the spin. Just thought: put a catamaran bridle on it's bow, that should reliably keep it pointed into the waves, once aligned to them (as it drifts away from point, one line will go slack and one will get tight). A sea drag-anchor on it's stern would provide it incentive. But a barge with a 50ft beam would be like a 50ft wide wall for the oncoming waves.
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Post by thebastidge on Oct 20, 2016 19:05:42 GMT
www.boats-and-harbors.com/classifieds/view.aspx/Barges%20For%20Sale>(2) 40 FT x 11 FT x 6 IN x 4 FT high deck barges. These barges pin together to make 40 FT x 24 FT. Both barges are raked on one end and have round spud wells. Both are $50,000.00 or one for $30,000.00. Located in Bayou La Batre, AL. Ph (251) 599-5906. OR: >20' x 40' STEEL HEAVY DUTY barge. Raked at one end. 2 spuds. Rusty. With Komatsu excavator PC70. Runs great. Ready to go. In Virginia. (757) 407-2861. Text anytime. Pics available $16,000. OR: >SECTIONAL BARGE 2 pieces 10 x 44 x 4 each, 2 spud wells, 3 compartments each. $30,000.00 for pair. Located N.J. (732) 615-8774 Any of these could be trucked (additional cost) to where you want them.
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